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Heckler & Koch P7M13 vs. Glock 19.?

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2007-04-08 16:12:51
As many of you may know I have decided to fight out the two manufactures to see which is really best. The 1st question was about the companies themselves. This question starts the model vs model leg. Which would you consiter the best carry for personal ? Rules: 1. Provide backup rather it personal or documented. 2. Do Not attack others comments. Fight it out with your own answers. 3. If you have no clue then dont answer please. Im attempting to keep this as real as possible. 4. Opinions are welcome, but only realistic ones. No ( I ran over my HK with a tank and it still fires ) For those of you who do not know about the first round question here is the link so you can catch up to speed if you wish. I gave my comments only after the everyone had answered and this round will be the same. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AtQ25AzjAQ6XVCu4Y94B1oDsy6IX?qid=20070405133341AAzFKJG I will update and add comments as we go for information only. Good Luck ! Zyphyr, Please read rule 1 and 3 ! Im not looking to buy anything. I already have most of them. Excellent points there Joe. I would say I have to agree with you on several of your comments. I am a diehard HK fan and I feel there is nothing better, however, for the purpose of CCW, your points are well inline. Welcome to the Debate ! I want more ! Comon guys, this is a chance to really get out there and challenge the 2 makers. The mnore input the better. I too in this case will submitt and say that for all practical reasons the G19 overcomes the HKP7. Quality here isnt so much the issue. Although I support the HK and will not give it bad reviews, the P7 seems to be less of a CCW than the G19 in a few ways. Without going into many long winded paragraphs, 1 point for the Glock world !
Answered By: david m
I have had the luxury of shooting an HK P-7 and it was great. They are easy to shoot and accurate. I owned a Glock 17 and it was ok for a "get-up and go" service pistol. For overall quality I have to go with the HK. But for personal carry I have to err on the side of Glock. They are a little blocky, but are very light and squeezing the trigger is all that is required to set off a round. Overall construction quality=HK (German "Benz-like" precision) Trigger=HK (Glock is a "pain" in the pad) Accuracy=HK (I did better with a P-7) Safety=Glock (Yes, that little part in the trigger is a safety!) Weight=Glock (perfect for ccw) Maintenance=Glock (almost too easy) Parts accessability=Glock (multiple sources for parts) Cost/Serviceability=Glock ($499 vs $1000+) For a range gun or home defense the HK would be good. But for CCW Glock beats the HK, despite the chunkiness. HK no longer catalogues the P-7 series. I bet they quit because of cost issues. The gun was always expensive. The Saudi royal police are armed with squeeze-cockers. Go figure-they have the money.
User: Zyphyr
You should get the Glock 19. Glock is a really nice manufacture for Pistols. You rally get a lot of bang for your buck with them. Personly, I think Glock has a nice recoil and ammo capacity. Go for the Glock!!
User: DJ
Get the BMW........LOL. I'm going to stick with the H&K. I do not hate Glock, they are fine pistols that have rewritten the rule book on pistols, but I think that there are some better ones and the HK is in that group.
User: H
Both are good weapons. The H & K P7 w/the 'squeeze c o c k' may be a bit safer since you have to know to squeeze it to shoot. The Glock (any Glock) is too much like a revolver. Just pick it up and shoot it. The H & K P7M13 holds thirteen rounds in the magazine of .9x19mm ammo. The Glock Model 19 holds fifteen with the conventional magazine. According to M. Ayoob, no police officer has ever been shot with his own H & K P7 pistol because of the squeeze c o c k. Of course, not too many police officers can afford H & Ks on a policeman's salary. Personal opinion: I'd rather buy the H & K USP in .45 acp if I were in the market for an H & K; as it is, I'll continue carrying my first generation Glock M-20 .10mm which has served me very well the last thirteen years on the street. NOTE: I have nothing bad to say about the H & K. H
User: david m
I have had the luxury of shooting an HK P-7 and it was great. They are easy to shoot and accurate. I owned a Glock 17 and it was ok for a "get-up and go" service pistol. For overall quality I have to go with the HK. But for personal carry I have to err on the side of Glock. They are a little blocky, but are very light and squeezing the trigger is all that is required to set off a round. Overall construction quality=HK (German "Benz-like" precision) Trigger=HK (Glock is a "pain" in the pad) Accuracy=HK (I did better with a P-7) Safety=Glock (Yes, that little part in the trigger is a safety!) Weight=Glock (perfect for ccw) Maintenance=Glock (almost too easy) Parts accessability=Glock (multiple sources for parts) Cost/Serviceability=Glock ($499 vs $1000+) For a range gun or home defense the HK would be good. But for CCW Glock beats the HK, despite the chunkiness. HK no longer catalogues the P-7 series. I bet they quit because of cost issues. The gun was always expensive. The Saudi royal police are armed with squeeze-cockers. Go figure-they have the money.
User: abdulnonoodle
Glock Akbar ! And the model 20 is my favorite because of the power, accuracy, durability, and dependability.
User: Joe R
I purchased my P7 in 1988. Back then I paid the "affordable" price of $425 for a very clean but used gun. It is a top notch, high quality firearm and I love shooting it. The workmanship and precise fit on the old H&K guns is unbeatable. Today that level of workmanship is very expensive and this is reflected in the price of a new P7. It is a great gun. However, it is not my choice for daily carry. 1) I have experienced several feeding malfunctions on my P7 and I have NEVER had a malfunction of any type on my Glocks. Reliability is the most important criteria when choosing a sidearm. 2) I like the way the Glock disengages all the safeties when the trigger is pulled. In a life threatening situation I do NOT want to deal with thumb safeties, squeeze safeties, grip safeties, etc. I like to keep things simple when my life is on the line. If you decide on a P7 you should practice a lot and hope you don’t forget to squeeze the grip when some scum bag on PCP is coming at you. 3) I use my gun on my boat. The Glock is made of polymer and a highly rust resistant coating has been applied to all metal parts. The P7 will rust if constantly exposed to salt water. 4) To me the Glock “points” like my index finger. The grip angle is intuitive and more natural than the P7. 5) You can replace 3 Glocks for the price of one P7. No, even under the most extreme conditions, you will NOT break or wear out a Glock. But you may loose it, or it may get stolen. Price is the least important criteria but the P7 IS way more expensive. IS there anything “wrong” with a P7? Hell no, it is a great handgun! But as a daily carry gun you will not find anything better than a Glock.
User: Zyphyr
You should get the Glock 19. Glock is a really nice manufacture for Pistols. You rally get a lot of bang for your buck with them. Personly, I think Glock has a nice recoil and ammo capacity. Go for the Glock!!
User: DJ
Get the BMW........LOL. I'm going to stick with the H&K. I do not hate Glock, they are fine pistols that have rewritten the rule book on pistols, but I think that there are some better ones and the HK is in that group.
User: H
Both are good weapons. The H & K P7 w/the 'squeeze c o c k' may be a bit safer since you have to know to squeeze it to shoot. The Glock (any Glock) is too much like a revolver. Just pick it up and shoot it. The H & K P7M13 holds thirteen rounds in the magazine of .9x19mm ammo. The Glock Model 19 holds fifteen with the conventional magazine. According to M. Ayoob, no police officer has ever been shot with his own H & K P7 pistol because of the squeeze c o c k. Of course, not too many police officers can afford H & Ks on a policeman's salary. Personal opinion: I'd rather buy the H & K USP in .45 acp if I were in the market for an H & K; as it is, I'll continue carrying my first generation Glock M-20 .10mm which has served me very well the last thirteen years on the street. NOTE: I have nothing bad to say about the H & K. H
User: david m
I have had the luxury of shooting an HK P-7 and it was great. They are easy to shoot and accurate. I owned a Glock 17 and it was ok for a "get-up and go" service pistol. For overall quality I have to go with the HK. But for personal carry I have to err on the side of Glock. They are a little blocky, but are very light and squeezing the trigger is all that is required to set off a round. Overall construction quality=HK (German "Benz-like" precision) Trigger=HK (Glock is a "pain" in the pad) Accuracy=HK (I did better with a P-7) Safety=Glock (Yes, that little part in the trigger is a safety!) Weight=Glock (perfect for ccw) Maintenance=Glock (almost too easy) Parts accessability=Glock (multiple sources for parts) Cost/Serviceability=Glock ($499 vs $1000+) For a range gun or home defense the HK would be good. But for CCW Glock beats the HK, despite the chunkiness. HK no longer catalogues the P-7 series. I bet they quit because of cost issues. The gun was always expensive. The Saudi royal police are armed with squeeze-cockers. Go figure-they have the money.
User: abdulnonoodle
Glock Akbar ! And the model 20 is my favorite because of the power, accuracy, durability, and dependability.
User: Joe R
I purchased my P7 in 1988. Back then I paid the "affordable" price of $425 for a very clean but used gun. It is a top notch, high quality firearm and I love shooting it. The workmanship and precise fit on the old H&K guns is unbeatable. Today that level of workmanship is very expensive and this is reflected in the price of a new P7. It is a great gun. However, it is not my choice for daily carry. 1) I have experienced several feeding malfunctions on my P7 and I have NEVER had a malfunction of any type on my Glocks. Reliability is the most important criteria when choosing a sidearm. 2) I like the way the Glock disengages all the safeties when the trigger is pulled. In a life threatening situation I do NOT want to deal with thumb safeties, squeeze safeties, grip safeties, etc. I like to keep things simple when my life is on the line. If you decide on a P7 you should practice a lot and hope you don’t forget to squeeze the grip when some scum bag on PCP is coming at you. 3) I use my gun on my boat. The Glock is made of polymer and a highly rust resistant coating has been applied to all metal parts. The P7 will rust if constantly exposed to salt water. 4) To me the Glock “points” like my index finger. The grip angle is intuitive and more natural than the P7. 5) You can replace 3 Glocks for the price of one P7. No, even under the most extreme conditions, you will NOT break or wear out a Glock. But you may loose it, or it may get stolen. Price is the least important criteria but the P7 IS way more expensive. IS there anything “wrong” with a P7? Hell no, it is a great handgun! But as a daily carry gun you will not find anything better than a Glock.

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